Monday, January 14, 2008

On Ray McCauley

Again there is rumors and news articles, over the weekend that the second marriage of pastor Ray' (as he is affectionately known amongst his Rhema members), is supposedly on the rocks. His divorce from Lindi McCauley a few years ago, send shockwaves through, not only through his church and the broader charismatic community, but also the rest of the church. In many local charismatic churches, the Rhema Bible church, stands out as a benchmark on church-growth and also recently public leadership. When people want to know what the Christians think, they would call Rhema.
We as a Christian community however need to heed the call to continue praying for our spiritual leaders. They are also mere vulnerable human beings. The sad reality of divorce amongst Christian leaders need to be acknowledged. There's no point in affirming, from a 'holier than though' vantage point, that we reject divorce and condemn people who went through this traumatic experience. Its time to own up to the fact the we share the difficulty of sustaining solid relationships, but we will strive to pray for sisters and brothers going through it.

Our prayer goes out to the church in Randburg and may God grace sustains and heal the members, but also the pastor, his wife and the family members.

42 comments:

Fisher said...

I would need to agree in terms of has been said. It is difficult as a leader and also those following. This reality just once again made me aware and reminded me that we need to keep our eyes focus on Jesus and him alone. We ashuman beings will always let each other down. No one is imune to temptation of whatever kind, for some of us is it obvious and others not so obvious. We need not point fingers at the church or Ps Ray but rather as you have suggested pray for him and the church. May Gods grace really be with him, the family and the church. Let us eep our eyes focused on Jesus.

Reggie said...

On person that often visit there, feels that part of the problem is the fact the the church often 'spiritualise' these things. We are not human enough... or we don't want to own up to our humanness. Maybe of it was God or the devil, then I am not to blame. part of my pray would be ... Lord, make me more human

Anonymous said...

We need to pray for Pastor Ray,he is indeed a man of God and a blessed one at that.May he he find the strenght and wisdom he needs to get through these very trying times.May God bless him and Zelda and his entire family

Anonymous said...

I am very disturbed about the news of our worldly father getting divorced.
Ps Ray a man of God faces a real problem.. God and his members should be his strength right now.
let the congregation of Rhema Bible Church pray hard and keep their eyes on Jesus for complete break through for Ps Ray and Zelda, they are truly a blessing to our church.

Reggie said...

Thanks for comment. Divorce, is never easy and in my view they need a break and time to find reconciliation and healing, but also for Rhema. And, of course haling doesn't come easy and takes a great amount of patience

Anonymous said...

JAx: A sinner saved by Grace:

We as Children of God we need to continuously cover our spiritual Fathers, as we all know the more task the bigger the challenge and the more the devil tries to bring us down. But we serve an amazing God who Says He will never leave us nor forsake us even in this time.so i say if God is for us who can be against us we must keep covering our spiritual leaders, The devil knows that what this amazing man of God is going through can either break or make the church, Not everyone in the body of Christ is Mature enough to understand what Pastor Ray is Going through. We will continue covering Him and His family in Prayer and we know the word of God tells us that God Hates divorce and nobody knows this better that Pastor Ray and His Bride, Can we just put ourselves in their shoes and feel what they are going through rather than judging and condeming the situation. this is trully a Trying time and we must stick together in prayer as brethren.

May the Good Lord Richly Bless you all.
Jax

Reggie said...

Jax,you have raised the important point of maturity... this can become a time of growth, even though it is painful, but growth for us all towards Maturity, in our spiritual walk..

Jesus Friend said...

I have noticed that Ray has not initiated divorce in any of these cases and has only tried to reconcile. Perhaps he is a very kind guy that is taken advantage of .. lets pray for him.

Gary said...

I believe that we should really be lifting Ps Ray and Zelda up, in prayer. We should especially pray for the church and the greater church in SA that is linked to Rhema (CRC, etc.) However, leaders must realise their responsibilty. Divorce is hugely unfortunate and should always be avoided. As a means of protecting the church, leaders must head the gospel when it says that we should NOT re-marry after divorce. The church's reputation is at stake and would be in a better state, had Ps Ray NOT remarried in the first place. However, I do not judge as I am not sure how I would have reacted if I was found in the same position.

Anonymous said...

His current wife is a fruit cake, and Ray was really unwise and didnt hear God by marrying her. Lets be honest, and call a spade a spake. He hasnt been an example in this at all… all this "lets lift them up" - come on... get real. Its like a jolly hollywood soapie.

Anonymous said...

Yip - you got it. Shame for all the kids. When the abults play their games, the kids suffer. Zelda Mccauley sounds like a cow...

Anonymous said...

Dear Saints,

I am a member of and a leader in Rhema and PROUD to be so. As a body of Christ we need to ask God for revelation on His Grace. We are moving into a NEW ERA spiritually and I believe God wants us to understand and apply His Grace to ALL. Most of us who are married know that from time to time we too make mistakes however no one ever knows about it because we have become MASTERS at hiding our faults and sins, also we are NOT a public figure like Pastor Ray. Just about everything he says or does is broadcast to the world. On Sunday he stood up in church and apologise to the congregation for the hurt and confusion it has been causing some members, let me say IT TAKES A MAN OF GOD TO DO THAT! As christians we know that we need to at ALL TIMES pray for our leaders IN ALL LEVELS and PLACES. Unfortunately and sadly we are to quick to jump on the bus, get the juicy bits and then say " I'm not judging, BUT....". May we ask God to place a watch over the gates of our lips, because we are told in the Word "DO NOT TOUCH MY ANNOINTED", meaning what we SAY and Do - God sees and hears everything! Lets start eating meat and not just drink milk as Paul said... For once lets be mature christians that OUR GOD CAN BE PROUD OF, without spot or blemmish! Blessings

Reggie said...

Thanks 'member and leader in Rhema' for the perspective you give. It helps alot. I agree with you that is DOES take a lot of courage from a public figure like Ray McCauley to come out in the open and apologise. I respect him for that.
I'm however not in agreement with your arguement that we should not speak out or say anything about the lifestyles of our churchleaders. In fact, I think this could be a blessing in diguise like you rightly said, a time to seek Gods face for new revelations about our spiritual journey and what the Holy Spirit is saying to us all. One thing, I hear for sure: don't worship pastors. They are also human beings, who can fail and need prayer, grace and also spiritual support ( I think that's what you said as well). Just a quick question to you though: What is the leadership at Rhema planning to do now ? I'm sure this is what we all are waiting for....

Jesus Friend said...

We must pray for Pastor Ray McCauley. He has been a great blessing to South Africa through out the changes of the Nation and many thousands of people have come to Christ through his powerful ministry.

How can he even try to reconcile with a woman that God clearly did not give him in the first place? This would prolong the error. In all publications, Zelda does not show any fruit of being a believer?

Ray needs to humble himself and repent pulically to his congregation for missing God in his decision to marry Zelda ..this was clearly NOT God!

Once this is done he must examine the things that caused the failure of his first marriage, repent for these issues and get help to correct them.

Then ultimately .. he must try and win his first wife back, the wife of his youth and the one God gave him! Obviously she was a great blessing to him and the church simply by looking at the success of his life and the church over the years she was by his side.

Whether his first wife is willing or come back or not is not the issue but the fact that he is big enough to humble himself and ask for forgiveness for this terrible mistake. I think it is possible that his first wife would respond favorably!

This would bring great healing to the Body of Chist, the Nation would be effected and he would be respected for his stance.

Ray McCauley God is not finished with you yet! Do what is right and you will have all the support you need.

In the meatime we are praying for you and all those who are involved.

Anonymous said...

1 Timothy 3:1-7

3 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap. NIV

1 Timothy 5:19-21

19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism. NIV

As you know there are no BUTS to God’s Word.

Ray McCauley has disqualified himself according to God's Will which is His Word. He can no longer serve as a pastor of a Church. He may have done wonderful work in the past but to finish well is the key. If he trust in God and does the right thing, God will see to his future and possible reconciliation with his wife. The beginning of wisdom is to fear God and what can mere man do?

Anonymous said...

We in South Africa want human leaders, with faults like we have so we choose Zuma as leader of the nation and McCauley as leader of the church and then tell our youth to live clean holy lives, who should they use as examples, as role models, it may help if our youth could see that there are consequences to there actions and that they are not covered up, the church is the way it is because we cover up our brothers sin, it's time for new leadership and we hope they will have more integrity, a twice divorsed leader with a three times divorsed wife is not on it's time for change in South Africa.

Ooskaper said...

I really feel for Pastor Ray and do believe that He is a man of God. The only thing that i have on my heart is that he should really consider whether he should still lead the people of God. He should really not minister as if nothing is happening in his life. My problem with these kind of stuff is that leaders sometimes expect church members to go through a season of healing when they face these difficulties but when they themselves has real issues like this to deal wih they tend to just go on as if nothing is happening. Divorce is indeed a serious thing especially for a leader who has so many followers. Don't get me wrong, I do not just Ray but i feel that we should really send a message out to the world that there is something like church disipline(not in a religious sense) but even Paul adressed the church conserning the qualities of leadership. God has no "witbroodjies" so He treats all the same.
My personnel message to Ray is that maybe it is time for him to pass the torch..... There is a lot of men whom you have raised through the work of the Holy Spirit who can take the ministry further. Twenty seven years is indeed a long time. How many Spiritual sons do you have sir? Come on please think about the next generation. Think about the new wafe of leaders that God is birthing in this hour.
I will pray for Pastor Ray....

Anonymous said...

Well.. now that we all know Pastor Ray's mistakes, faults and sins lets hope to God we know OUR OWN!

I wonder what the people of SA would say if they knew all YOUR MISTAKES, FAULTS AND SINS SIR/ LADY?? It's time to GET OFF our little ivory towers and STOP JUDGING others SA, that's all we seem to get right these days!!

Jesus will certainly NOT leave Pastor Ray for the dogs to chew on but take him into HIS arms with love and care. Pastor Ray's work is NOT done yet on this earth and GOD HAS THE FINAL SAY NOT YOU.

"He who is WITHOUT sin, may cast the first stone". GOD LOVES PASTOR RAY AND ZELDA, LET'S NEVER FORGET THAT!~

Anonymous said...

Is it not amazing how we start to use the word of God to become super spiritual and have the answers to everything suddenly. We use the word of God when it suites us so that it makes us feel "ok".

We should not become legalistic when using God's word. Who are we kidding... we are not God to judge anyone.

I believe we need to learn something from all of this and that is, LEADERS ARE HUMAN. Pastor Ray is a FANTASTIC LEADER. It does not mean because he is facing marital challenges that he is a bad person or leader. It takes two to tango?

Come on guy's would you not want Jesus to give you a second chance or a third chance and a ....... chance.

neobaptist said...

I used to go to Rhema in the days before they built their church. I came away feeling that Rhema in South Africa is built around a man. Without Ray what is Rhema? The circumstances surrounding his first marriage breakdown were easily swept aside.
It looks like this one will go the same way. Of course he is going to apologise. He had no other option.

This nonsense about 'not touching God's anointed' is a twisting of the original meaning and context to provide protection for pastors. I know, I am one. I refuse to hide behind the false notion of being one of 'God's anointed'. I prefer accountability.

I don't know and never will know the circumstances of this possible divorce. I do know that the credibility issues this raises for the witness of the church in South Africa are serious. We are at a time when a new culture of accoutnability needs to be forged by leaders in all spheres of soceity.
We are engulfed by cynicism, because we surrounded by corruption, and at the highest levels our leaders have double standards.
Our police chief consorts with gangsters, our next President is standing trial for corruption, and our existing President is prepared to protect his corrupt mates, tolerate useless colleagues, and turn a blind eye to Zimbabwe.

Ray can turn this thing around, but not by hanging on and find some pathetic justification for continuing as if nothing has happened.

Reggie said...

This is also about- discerning a new way of dealing with divorce amongst Christians. Neobaptist is right: we need a new language, and it does affect the way other public leaders deal with morality- and our witness is at stake. The current state of affairs is on http://alphacc.blogspot.com/2008/02/mccauleys-church-divided-over-marital.html

David said...

I have read most of what has been said by my fellow christians and am appauled by what some of our believing brethren condone.1 - The reason we as christians stand today is by nothing else but the Grace of our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST. I think that most Christians mis-interpret what Grace is and think that Grace is you continually doing wrong and GOD just forgiving you and you doing it again and again and you just thinking that GOD will understand that you are just human. If GOD therefore understands that we are just human, the question would therefore be WHY would GOD want to change us if we are gonna make the same excuse over and over? I believe that the Grace of GOD towards us, is that human as we are, we can rise above the flesh through the blood of our Lord JESUS CHRIST and live a life that would be impossible on our own human abilities. If we say we can't rise above these temptations, we are simply telling the world that the Blood of Christ is not sufficient to change our lives and therefore underestimate the Power that lies in that Blood.2- there are qualifications that are stipulated by the Bible that we so earnestly believe in, and no one even Pastor Ray is exempted from those commandments no matter what the people think, those commandments hold. Pointing out the wrong that the pastor has done is not passing judgement but simply stating that the situation he finds himself in does not allow him to stand behind the pulpit and preach to the children of GOD and I think that if he had the respect for the children of GOD, he wouldn't have to be told that.I therefore have just 1 advise for you REGGIE my brother, if you want to be more human, stay away from from the LORD JESUS CHRIST bcos he makes 'gods of ordinary people'and he demands that you become nothing else but GOD himself! more like him. NOT MORE HUMAN. AMEN.

Reggie said...

David, my brother, with all due respect: what/who are you.... God?
Let me bring perspective and answer: No, you're not and never will be... we were created as humans, to bear the image of God.

You make the statement:
'stay away from from the LORD JESUS CHRIST bcos he makes 'gods of ordinary people and he demands that you become nothing else but GOD himself! more like him. NOT MORE HUMAN'
My point in my first comment after 'fisher', is simple: I heard someone said: we as christians tend to spiritualise so easy, simply pasting verses over our sins. I agree with that.... we need to own up to the fact that as humans, we are sinful (pastors as well)and like you said, we live under grace, which is also for others.
Lastly, I am not appalled, when christians finally start to be honest in saying what they think and feel... I am however appalled when Christians think they are (a )God, to judge and tell others that they must stay away from God.... One of the wonderful things about the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ is that that he seeks us (Eph 2:4-5). ( Like, I pray God is doing with Pastor Ray and his family) Lastly, David, you can rest assured, in all honesty, I tried my best to stay away from Him, but He wasn't convinced- he loved me as well.

neobaptist said...

Let me try and take some heat out the debate:
It may well be that in respect to his first marriage Ray was at no fault. It may be that in respect to his second he is at no fault.

This is not about blame to my mind, its about the effect that this has on the church, and on the credibility of Christian leaders in the eyes of 'not yet' believers.

If Ray seeks to continue in his leadership role after two marriage breakdowns it will be to my mind an act of indulgence. Even if his current marriage is repaired [whcih I pray it is], the time has come to hand over the baton.

This is not to say there is no forgiveness, or that people can't fail. To those in positions of leadership such as Ray much is expected, much more than a congregational member. South Africa needs leaders to start a new trend of accountability and self censorship.

We need leaders who will teach the new generation these godly values of honesty and accountability. The Apostle Paul talked about how he would beat his body into submission lest after preaching to others he himself would be 'disqualified'.

Ray can turn this disaster into a blessing, but only if he places the needs of the church at wide above his desires.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the person that says we christians are gods. Because the bible says so. Psalm 82:6. The body of christ needs to get the revelation that we are not just human beings. We have all the power of God. As a christian you are not supposed to fail. No. Have you ever seen God failing. As long as the body of christ does not have that revelation. They will still function like mere human beings. Jesus said he has given us all the power. All, not some. When the devil comes to your home. Tell him to go in the NAme of Jesus. You know what, he will go.As a christian you need to know the word of God for yourself. Not just hear it on Sunday morning. Let it be your dail bread. Stop being religious and live it.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous of 9:12pm
The Word of God is the only standard, your, my or others opinion cannot ever be the standard to which we strive. Clearly you have not understood the character required for someone who is a Pastor, elder, bishop. This requirement does not change. Ray McCauley is forgiven by God, but as Jesus puts it, go then and sin no more. Therefore to continue without the required character as a Pastor is continuing to sin. Repentance means total remorse and turn from that thing.

1 Cor 5:11 (read for yourself 6:1-4)

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

He will be forgiven and left alone by man when he removes himself as Pastor of Rhema and does not pastor a church again.

For the wages of sin is death. Continuing against the Word of God will bring about his own personal destruction because sin has consequences. The stress that he is experiencing has hardly anything to do with living in Johannesburg but the consequences of sin as with the pending divorce is a consequence. He most definitely needs to be prayed for.

Romans 6:1-2
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

God’s Word is the ultimate authority and standard for living, do not despise its use.

2 Timothy 3:16

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Anonymous said...

Your word IS a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path
(Ps 119:105)

"my people are DESTROYED FOR LACK
OF KNOWLEDGE.
Because you have rejected
knowledge
I also will reject you from being
priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the
Law of you God,
I also will forget your children.
(New King James Version)

David said...

I think 1 of the biggest problems that we as Christians have, is to think the Bible to be our "reference book" when our thinking fails us or when we need to drive our point across using the word of GOD.I think the foundation of every Christian is the Bible and once you loose that respect for the Bible and assume other people's opinions and standings more relevant on the basis of WHO those people are in the Community or Church circles then we definately have a problem. There is nothing that we can do to gain GOD's favour except to obey HIS word, I don't care how many churches u've built or souls that u think u've led to Christ you are still just a sinner saved by Grace like everybody else. I therefore believe that everything that is in the Bible is attainable and it is every Christian's GOD given right to go back to the WORD and find out what GOD requires of us, it is therefore no sign of having a "holier than thou attitude" it is mearly echoeing what the ALMIGHTY GOD wants. When JESUS was tempted of the devil, he fought the devil off by the WORD and that is what you and I are required to do do.So I think it is time that we take the WORD of GOD VERY seriously and pray to GOD that he gives us the strength to live up to his requirements. GOD BLESS U.

Anonymous said...

Well said David

Reggie said...

I agree with
'I don't care how many churches u've built or souls that u think u've led to Christ you are still just a sinner saved by Grace like everybody else.' (David)

I don't agree with:
'As a christian you are not supposed to fail. No. Have you ever seen God failing.' (Anon) and....

I don't agree with:
'he demands that you become nothing else but GOD himself!' (David)

Ps 82:6 need to be understood in its context. People, if anything else, we need a revelation on the grace of God- and be more graceful towards others as well.

David said...

I think much has been said already and everyone can rest on what they believe to be the right thing to do or believe.

I have a concern:

Can anyone with the backing of the Bible explain or give some light as to exactly what is the Grace of GOD towards us?

I personally feel that there isn't a clear understanding amongst our Christian community as to what the Grace of GOD is.

Anonymous said...

To David
I hope this will help a bit.

Words that describe the word GRACE

Kindness, kindliness, decency, favor, mercy, mercifulness, generosity, charity, benevolence, clemency, leniency.

Definition – gift of God to humankind
The infinite love, mercy, favor, and goodwill shown to humankind by God

1 Cor 15:10

Grace of God – redemptive work of God through Jesus Christ on the cross. (1 Cor 15:10)
Through His Grace can we obtain victory over sin IN Jesus strength.

Through the redeeming work of God, being the Grace of God, we are saved from destruction. Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross is the redeeming work of God. Further, we can do nothing apart from Jesus. (John 15:5 The vine)

Grace is allowing a mistake and apology, but do not do it again. i.e. REPENT AND TURN

“and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” (Rom 3:24)
For it is by grace that we are saved – grace = God’s redeeming work, not by our good deeds. (Eph 2:8))
Once we have salvation by grace, we can, with or by God’s grace achieve SELF-CONTROLLED, UPRIGHT AND GODLY LIVES (Titus 2:4)

1 Peter 5:10 God gives us grace to bear our sufferings (upholds us through), even if we are suffering because of sin, his grace abounds.(Romans 5:20) The object of suffering sometimes comes from God’s discipline (Hebrews 12:4-11) which brings about holiness, righteousness and Christ-like character. (James 1:4) God is holy, we too must be holy. (1 Peter 1:16). Through this suffering, we are not broken, but without His grace (mercy), we should be dead.

In addition, in accordance with God’s grace (generosity) He has given us lavishly all spiritual blessings of understanding and wisdom. (Eph 1:7-8)

Anonymous said...

ps

To the woman caught in the act of adultery, Jesus said, “neither do I condemn you, go now AND SIN NO MORE.
To the man laying at the pool of Bethesda, he said at the synagogue, “do NOT SIN AGAIN, or something worse will happen to you."
GRACE is given with the command to TURN from that sin.

AmandaBell said...

Growing up in Rhema was probably the best experience in life, because that is where I have learned the grace of God. I honestly and truly believe that Ray McCauley was called by God to lead all those people to Christ and they have done a wonderful job about it and God bless him. However, I aqm pretty annoyed about all this, yes the devil is like a hungry lion just waiting to devour us, but the bible also says that we should resist the devil and he shall flee from us. Ray McCauley is responsible for introducing many people to Jesus Christ, but the last few years has been though for him and his family. I am truly sorry for what everybody is going through because we are one body in Christ and I ache for him and the rest of his family. With all that said, here are the facts: #1 Lindy McCauley is still not married from what I hear,
#2 Ray married Zelda a few months after Lindy left (it happens pastors' wives leaves all the time and its better to get married that live in sin but some questions do arise)
It would be unfair to draw conclussions from only these little facts and make assumptions but honestly the pastor should not be in a position where he can cause others to stumble and fall.
I honestly believe that his love for Christ is sincere, however he should not be in a leadership position right now. After all, Rhema is not about Ray McCauley but it is about God and bringing people to Christ. Ray McCauley should take time of from the pulpit, and the time is now. He is not a worse Christian than any of us, as a matter of fact I lost my temper yesterday, I drove 15miles above the speeding limit this morning from the airport in an HOV lane by myself during peak hours. My point is that regardless of our sin God has no degrees or hierachies, they are equal in his eyes. My sin is no better than Ray's, however repentence is key and that is between him and God only. The rest of us should fall on our knees and pray him and his family and stay out of their business. I just don't think it is fair that he should be preaching the word of God still. He needs to take a time out. I love him, and I pray for him and would like to see him continue working for God but right now he needs to go deal with his issues without causing the rest of the Christian community to stumble and fall. We already face so much persecution in this world for just taking a stand for Christ and we can't still run in circles and cover up all these malfunctions. I love you Ray and I will continue to pray for you, but it is time and I hope that if I am also in deep water, that my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ will be true and honest with me instead of making excusses and coddling me. Being in a leadership position comes with many blessings and also a great deal of responsibilities and it is important that we hold each other accountable.

Filly said...

I agree in essence what AmandaBell and Neobaptist say and McCauley should leave the church to get his own life sorted out with God and his marriage/s.

Ray McCauley has made himself a public figure and therefore by doing this, his life automatically becomes one of scrutiny amongst the general public and the television viewers. If he is to teach the unadulterated Word of God, he should be an example of it.

The Christian community is being ‘tarred with the same brush’ by people outside the Body of Christ, leaving all Born Again Christians being compared to him. The onslaught on him and the Rhema leadership will continue until they regard the Word of God with respect that is due to it. Let God worry about Rhema and its people.

McCauley has undoubtedly brought many people to Christ as he has been given the gift of evangelism by the Holy Spirit which is never taken away. As he says himself,” it is not how you started but how you finish is important”. As to “being called” I am not so sure that anyone is in fact “CALLED” as:

1 Timothy 3:1 states

3 Here is a trustworthy saying: If ANYONE SETS HIS HEART on being an OVERSEER, he DESIRES a noble task.

God gives us the desires of our heart (Psalm 37:4) which might have been in McCauley’s early days, but also says in

Ezekiel 36:26-27
“26And I will give you a new heart with NEW AND RIGHT DESIRES, and I will put a new spirit in you, I will take out your STONEY heart and give you a new, OBEDIENT heart. (NLT)
“27 And I will put my Spirit in you and MOVE YOU to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (NIV)

The only scripture I can find in the NIV that remotely pertains to a CALL, is Romans 11:29 which is a call to Israel to share in the covenant made with Abraham as His elect and His gifts which are irrevocable as McCauley’s gift of evangelism. The only other place where God calls US, IS TO live HOLY lives in 1 Th 4:7.

McCauley does not SEEM to have been obedient the conditions that go with 1 Timothy 3:1 and Ezekiel above is speaking about the sanctification process which I believe is now happening by God’s discipline as in Hebrews 12:4-11 which will produce the right fruit for himself in the end.

Let me highlight what 1 Timothy 3:1-7 says
1. A man who DESIRES to be a Pastor, elder, bishop etc
2. DESIRES a noble task
3. must be above reproach
4. husband of but 1 wife
5 temperate (not angry)
6. self-controlled
7. respectable
8. hospitable to anyone, regardless of stature or standing in the community.
9. able to teach
10. not given to drunkenness
11. not violent but gentle
12. not quarrelsome
13. not a lover of money
14 manage his own family well otherwise how can he manage a church
15 see that his children obey him with proper respect
17. he must not be a recent convert – (could become conceited, prideful)
18. a good reputation with outsiders

This is indeed a noble task and CAN be achieved through Jesus Christ in the submission TO GOD’S WILL and not of our own. For Jesus said, “apart from me you can DO NOTHING” (John 15:5)

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; APART from me you can DO NOTHING.”

The leadership of Rhema could take these points 3-18 listed above after debate in a private pole amongst them, marking HE IS SO (generally) OR HE IS NOT SO (generally).
WITHOUT thinking of the MONEY and think about the eternal rewards not this life’s comforts. Let God be the judge and TRUST God.

Godly priorities are very briefly:

1. Relationship with God – Seek first the kingdom of God
2. Spouse (of wife) – to be loved like Jesus loved the church – he died for the church
Spouse (of husband) – to be admired and supported and under submission of.
3. Children – train up a child in the way he should go – to teach by example
4. Other family – parents in particular – honor them – provide for them if necessary
5. Work, Ministry, etc
6. Self

God doesn’t NEED us, he can get a donkey to speak if need be, or the stones to worship him if need be, but He wants a relationship with us.
When things are going wrong, these priorities are messed up, usually no 5 and no 6 become no. 1 and 2.

Prov 21:3
3.To do what is right and just
is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
We are the Church, the TV church, the greater Body of Christ; therefore much is at stake for us all. Paul writes:

1 Cor 5:12-13
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? ARE YOU NOT TO JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Matt 5:32 Jesus speaking
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and ANYONE WHO MARRIES THE DIVORCED WOMAN COMMITS ADULTERY.

Apology to Alpha Christian Community website for using so much space for this message.

azanianlion said...

Hi guys and gals
I used to go to Rhema and know Ray Mc Cauley to be a strong willed man but a man of great integrity,i do not know Zelda.Lets not blame either of them but pray for them.As for the comment by one of the "leaders" of Rhema saying "we should not touch Gods anointed"that gets my goat,firstly it kinda sends a message that the five fold minitry can do what they like and not be challenged and secondly that they are more important to God than the rest of the body of Christ.We are all equal and if you are a believer you are anointed,you have the unction within you.Also,if have a high profile you must accept that your doctrine and lifestyle will be challenged and rightfully so.We all sin,but there are some out there building their own empires and like to hide behind that scripture whilst they do their thing.

azanianlion said...

I agree with most what Filly said except the bit about where Jesus said "If you marry a divorced woman you are an adulterer"
At that time Jesus was speaking to those under the Law but since then He died on the cross and His blood has washed away all our sins including the sin of divorce.Therefore as a new testement believer we now stand free of any(including divorce and fornication) sin and condemnation.

JP22 said...
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JP22 said...

I would like to respond to the person who referred to Mrs. Zelda McCauley as a cow. Who are you to pass judgement on her let alone anyone for that matter! You do not know her and secondly to the comment on Pastor Ray should not have remarried who are you to say whether he should or should not! The problem with us Christians is that we quick to pass judgement and we should STOP because Jesus Christ did not judge and still does not judge so what gives us the right to! There is a reason why Pastor Ray and Lyndie got divorced just like why he remarried. Pastor Ray and Rhema have done more for this nation than any other Christian church has done and we need to remember that it’s just a pity that the private affairs of Pastor Ray and Mrs. Zelda McCauley ends up in the media and that the media can completely distort the truth. I am proud to be a member of Rhema Bible Church which is a place where NO PERFECT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED because the only person who is perfect is JESUS. So please remove the piece of wood in your own eyes before passing judgement!

Reggie said...

As far as I am concerned that comment was in bad taste. Not very Christian either. Thats why I still maintain that people should forgive and move on.

AMOS said...

let's pray for the will of God in snr pastors situation.if it the will of God that they devorce we say with a loud and confident voice AMEN.if the pastor disobeyed God and God is punishing him for that:let's shut up and give God space.there are some "great thinkers" who used to come to cherch to scrutunize and bad breath, now they have something to talk about in the tax, during their supper or in bear halls.
you can leave rhema if you want (we wont need to extend the church) but we ever you go you wont find perfect leaders.
ALL I SAY IS POLITICIANS MUST STAY OUT OF CHURCH THEY BRING DISGRACE.THEY MUST RESPECT OUE GATHERING AND NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE.
GOD THY WILL BE DONE!!!!

AMOS MAGEZI said...

let's pray for the will of God in snr pastors situation.if it the will of God that they devorce we say with a loud and confident voice AMEN.if the pastor disobeyed God and God is punishing him for that:let's shut up and give God space.there are some "great thinkers" who used to come to cherch to scrutunize and bad breath, now they have something to talk about in the tax, during their supper or in bear halls.
you can leave rhema if you want (we wont need to extend the church) but we ever you go you wont find perfect leaders.
ALL I SAY IS POLITICIANS MUST STAY OUT OF CHURCH THEY BRING DISGRACE.THEY MUST RESPECT OUE GATHERING AND NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE.
GOD THY WILL BE DONE!!!!

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